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 Post subject: Summer League- cores, dates, committee, etc.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 11:57 pm 
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Games start June 4. Hopefully the weekly schedule will be similar to the last few years. Half the teams are Monday-Thursday all summer, and the other half are Tuesday-Thursday. Games start at approximately 6:30 (or 6:15 when nights get shorter). Midseason Tournament in Cumming on July 7-8, and End-of-Season on August 10-11. Not sure what we will do during the week of July 4.

Some important rule changes
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-There will be penalties for significant underranking. It might be as drastic and removing a player from a team and putting them on another. Possibly a core found to do so will not be allowed to play together the following year.
-There will also be penalties for a team forfeiting during the summer. Possibilities:
-On the second night a team forfeits due to lack of players, we will add players to that team from the waitlist (since they clearly don't have enough bodies to field a team)
-A team isn't allowed to play at the next tournament
-We don't really have any good methods of financial penalties due to our core/draft system, but we may come up with something.

Core Rules

-Every individual will be ranked on the 0-9 point scale.
-For women, subtract 3 points; for men, subtract 2.
-12 players on a core, with a 40 point limit.
-You can have 13 (and beyond) players if everyone past the 12th player is a TRUE ZERO. That is, they have never played before, or maybe have only played the current spring league.
-Top 7 players (either top 7 highest points OR the highest 5m/2f) must be 31 points or less.


PreDraft


we will probably have some variation of the predraft. Last year, all teams with less than 35 (?) points participated in the predraft. Team with the lowest current core value picked first until all had 35 points. If a team had less than 12 players, they must use the predraft to get to 12 (still staying within the 31/40 rues).


Ranking Committee


I'm hoping to not need the CRM at all this year, but it hasn't been totally ruled out. The ranking committee has 10 members at the moment and we have been trying to rank everyone who was on a summer league roster last year. Every member who knows a person has ranked them (if we don't know them, we don't rank them) and we average all of the ranks. We round to the nearest .5 to get a final rank. Captains who email me can get an updated version of this spreadsheet to see where players are (assuming I can format it properly). Do note that these ranks are not the complete final word, but with 10 peoples opinions involved, they're pretty close. Ranks can still be argued by captains if they provide justification. We are also trying to get fair rankings for everyone playing in spring league as well (using mainly opinions from captains of spring).

Core Dates

The draft will be May 30th. Registration closes May 21st (I think?). CRM, if we have it, will be May 16 (yes, before registration is closed- we have it this early so that people have time to adjust cores if needed). Preliminary cores will be due May 11th (for discussions of anyone captains feel is unfairly ranked by the committee) and final cores are due May 23 (one wekk before the draft so that I have time to better prepare for the draft). I will dig up last years Core Submission spreadsheet and get that to captains soon.

Be a captain and make a team! Add your name at http://afdc.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=536 if you plan to be one. Also email me at SLCommish@gmail.com please!

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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 8:38 am 
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For women, subtract 3 points; for men, subtract 2.


Just curious, but what's the reason for adusting both men and women? Wouldn't subtracting 1 for women (and raising the core limits) accomplish the same thing?

Just curious...

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Scott_Franklin wrote:
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For women, subtract 3 points; for men, subtract 2.


Just curious, but what's the reason for adusting both men and women? Wouldn't subtracting 1 for women (and raising the core limits) accomplish the same thing?


It's not the same because it makes rank 0-2 men and 0-3 women worth the same number of core points (0).


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It's not the same because it makes rank 0-2 men and 0-3 women worth the same number of core points (0).


Thanks Rick! CP=max[0,R-(2+n(Y))] where n(Y)=# of Y chromosomes is much clearer.


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I can't give you any super-good reasons, but the idea is:

A male 8 is now 6 points, and that's not too far off of two male 5s (also 6 points). As for the women being -3, a male 9 tends to impact the game more than a female 9, so the male costs more. That last statement is definitely debatable (since the shortage of high ranked women might make a female 9 MORE valuable).


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Teddy wrote:
I can't give you any super-good reasons, but the idea is:

A male 8 is now 6 points, and that's not too far off of two male 5s (also 6 points). As for the women being -3, a male 9 tends to impact the game more than a female 9, so the male costs more. That last statement is definitely debatable (since the shortage of high ranked women might make a female 9 MORE valuable).


I interpretted that as "keep the males at + 0 and the women at -1 and then increase the total point limit.

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the issue was with players 0-2 (M) and 0-3 (F) who typically don't have as large an impact on the game and, thus, shouldn't really count against the total core limit. it encourages you to put newer players on your core by assigning no value to them.


edit: spamwater, bad choice was LAST summer. get up to date. i'm disappointed in you. how can you get any pudding if you don't eat your meat?


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Bad choice!


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Frito wrote:
Teddy wrote:
I can't give you any super-good reasons, but the idea is:

A male 8 is now 6 points, and that's not too far off of two male 5s (also 6 points). As for the women being -3, a male 9 tends to impact the game more than a female 9, so the male costs more. That last statement is definitely debatable (since the shortage of high ranked women might make a female 9 MORE valuable).


I interpretted that as "keep the males at + 0 and the women at -1 and then increase the total point limit.


I figured that was the question but didn't explain beyond the example.

If we leave men at + 0 then a male 9 is worth the same as a male 4 and 5 together. That seems a bit ridiculous. Now a 9 is worth three 4s and a 5 (do you want a stud 9 or four friends?). The "-2 per player" makes it a bonus for having more players, and somewhat penalizes having a lot of high players. I guess since I enforce the 12 players per core, it may not have as much of an effect...


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the system is fairly fair as you have it now. please don;t make me start over. i just figured it out and can now fit both spamwater and spamwater_jr on my core.

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what about aj?


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 Post subject: Forfeits
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One of your proposed penalties for teams who forfeit:
"A team isn't allowed to play at the next tournament".

I'm all for trying to do something to teams who habitually forfeit games. But banning them from a tourney would really suck for the players on the team who do show up. Especially if they were drafted, and through no fault of their own, didn't get to play in the tourney.


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OH dear lord I can't debate this too.

If a team forfeits b/c of attendance issues, my guess is that the captain isn't communicating with his/her team as much as needed. This also tells me that the newer players probably aren't showing up anyway.

Nothing has been decided as of today; however, discussions are in the works.

An idea has been since there is no late registration, my guess is that there will be a wait list. So, if a team has to forfeit, they pick up 7 people from the wait list (enough to have people on the line), and they get to play as well as the others. Of course there are problems with that idea as well.

EITHER WAY, it's UNCOOL to forfeit. We ALL have to fight traffic to get to games, and EVERYONE pays their money so if a team is low enough to forfeit without any notice to others, does not sit well!!

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